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hello and welcome to the point of

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convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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in this the fourth episode of the

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podcast we will discuss

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both some of the stubborn challenges as

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well as some of the unique opportunities

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that exist

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when studying an enigmatic topic such as

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ufos and the phenomenon

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how can we make headway when studying

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non-human intelligences

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apparently able to manipulate perception

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consciousness and even the supposed

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constants

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of the natural world now just as a

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refresher

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we're going to consider some of these

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examples of perception manipulation

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case number one a family is driving in

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the mountains when one of the children

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remembers seeing a strangely colored

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school bus

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the other child remembers christmas

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lights on a cabin

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even though it was mid-july only later

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was this remembered as a ufo case number

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two

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a man is in his living room when an

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entire wall of the house seems to

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disappear

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other words it dematerializes right in

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front of his eyes

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and then gray aliens appear

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another case a woman is driving down a

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major highway in france

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to find she is suddenly not only seeing

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a ufo above

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but that she is the only one on the road

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yet another case a man driving down a

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busy section of the i-5 in southern

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california

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when he notices a large ufo above but

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what's strange is

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while the freeway is heavily populated

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no one else seems to be seeing it

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yet another case a couple is on a trip

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to a lake cottage together

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and they end up having experience with

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alien contact later that evening

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what's strange is later long afterwards

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months afterwards in fact they are

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from that weekend trip and they find a

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where clearly a ufo is above the lake

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what's strange is they have no recall of

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seeing that ufo

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in real time when clearly based on the

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consider these additional facts that are

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strange now these beings these entities

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others often have feet and sometimes

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they do walk

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like humanoids other times though they

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simply floating above the ground and in

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people who have been moved by these

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beings

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don't simply walk out of their homes

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now in regards to the manipulation of

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consider this case dr joseph burks

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recounts an experience

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where he was speaking with a friend on

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the phone who was noticing a strange

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in one corner of the room and it was

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causing the man to tear up

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that is to say not cry out of emotion

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but just tear up

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interestingly dr joseph burgs had an

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idea he said

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try closing your eyes and the man did

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he could still see the manifestation

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that was in the corner of the room

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even with his eyes closed so it appears

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the phenomenon the intelligence behind

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the phenomenon was actually manipulating

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within his optic nerve and causing a

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and to the man it looked like an actual

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sherry wilde is an experiencer who

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recounts many strange encounters

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in her book the forgotten promise now

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one of the first times she was

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confronted with this concept that she

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had been contacted by non-human

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came with a meeting with a friend now

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one day she drove across town to meet up

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with a friend and then

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go shopping now months later after this

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the friend brought up ufos and said

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speaking of ufos whatever happened about

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that ufo you saw when you came to my

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house when i went shopping

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sherry was very perplexed she had no

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idea what the friend was talking about

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the friend went on to say yeah you came

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about a ufo you had seen and that's why

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late and that you needed to tell me

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repeated incident of missing time this

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happens in many of these encounters

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and it's just another example of how

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space time is manipulated

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now in previous episode i think it was

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in the first episode

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i uh shared that i myself and it have

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had experiences with this phenomenon

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and over time i plan to get into some of

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those i'd like right now to share one

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and it's a recent one actually and it

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was more that i was an observer of this

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happening to someone

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specifically it happened to my wife now

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my wife and i have had experiences

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and separately the experiences tend to

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happen more often to my wife than they

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this is what happened just two weeks ago

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we were driving back from getting

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groceries

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and driving down this long straight road

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and i was talking at the time i don't

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remember what i was talking about but i

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was going on for several minutes

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at some point it occurred to me that my

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wife wasn't responding she usually gives

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some sort of verbal cues to say she's

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understanding what i'm saying

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some sort of feedback so i looked across

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i looked across at her and just that

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her eyes went really wide she looked

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her mouth was open she was gripping the

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it looked very strange

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and she said in that moment what were

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she had completely lost track of what i

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now this is really really strange and

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this is what happens to people it's

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incredibly discombobulating

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because all sorts of questions occur to

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if my wife was taken out of her body or

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consciousness taken elsewhere

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how was it that she continued to drive

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the car you do hear cases where people

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are pulled off the road or the car

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breaks down

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suddenly and people disappear from the

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car and then are put back in their

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bodies at least that's their experience

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my wife kept driving a completely

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she never slowed down or sped up and yet

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suddenly 10 minutes was missing we were

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on a section of the road she didn't

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now you have some idea of why this topic

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is so fascinating to me so engaging

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and so personal um if this was a one-off

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in this material and a history with it

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if i was just a husband driving down the

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road with his wife he would probably

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think his wife had some sort of medical

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episode and should probably go to the

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and yet while this particular thing

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strange things like this happen to us

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sometimes months go by when nothing

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year but eventually something happens

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that is beyond the norm that is beyond

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now anyone who's been in this topic for

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right before people's eyes

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these objects if they are indeed objects

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and then later reform together and when

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objects and how they change shape in

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interesting hypothesis he says quote

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objects that bisect familiar

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unquote and just as a reminder

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is more complex than that as with the

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now regarding these objects that are

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intelligence behind the phenomenon

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perhaps plural is often stealthy

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could if it wanted to you would think

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now while there are some caveats to this

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partial materialization the ethereal

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nature of some of these

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etc this still seems to be the truth

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the question is why and we simply don't

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know

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and even more importantly while we can

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make guesses as to why

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and to the underlying intent we don't

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know what we don't know

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we are simply not accustomed to not

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being the apex intelligence on the block

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and not only are we not that apex

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intelligence but we likely haven't been

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for the entire history of our species

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one could look at this like we are

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sitting on a house

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on top of a hill and we are accustomed

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to be able to look in the valley

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and see everything understand everything

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and that that's always been the case for

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us and it's the case for our ancestors

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and that it will be the case for our

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descendants

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but with the phenomenon we suddenly

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realize that above us

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is a hazy sky and above that

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all sorts of realities that we don't

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fully understand and that sometimes the

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clouds part

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and things appear in the sky above us

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things that we don't understand

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that's what it's like that's where we

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are

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now some people will say that while the

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phenomenon does seem to be stealthy shy

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and obscure there may be reasons for

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this

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the prime directive idea that we find in

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star trek is quite common

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this is the notion that there's an

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agreement

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amongst alien species not to interfere

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with a local planet

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and its intelligence because it would

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impact its development

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this is possible and there are even

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people who said that uh

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the others have shared those messages

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with them

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but again we're estimating we're

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guessing we don't know this for sure and

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we just need to accept that

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now one can really not consider the

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perplexing nature of the phenomenon and

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what it is to study it

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without talking about the ongoing issue

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of human hubris

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the truth is we long assume that our

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model of reality should be sufficient

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that whatever we encounter should be

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accounted for in that model

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now strangely we laugh at the

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ridiculousness

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of people in previous centuries who

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seemed to sincerely believe

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they were on the cusp of understanding

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all that is the totality

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and yet we still do this repeating the

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same fundamental

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error of hubris as if we think we've

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reached the finish line

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and this is demonstrated in how we talk

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about the future

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descendants we imagine them being more

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capable than us

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in terms of the development of a more

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sophisticated technology for instance

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but we don't usually acknowledge that

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the very way they see reality

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may very well be different even at a

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pretty fundamental level

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and yet that is most likely the more

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accurate portrayal of our descendants

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lives

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it's the exact portrayal of us in

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now one can really not consider the

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study of the phenomenon

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without considering the issue of states

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of consciousness

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this seems to be central and it has been

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suggested by some

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that perhaps the others are aiming for a

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change on a subconscious level

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and that this partially explains for the

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absurdity we see on the surface

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we have very little understanding about

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this ourselves though

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we have very little understanding about

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our own subconscious and how that works

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even the notion of a collective

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subconscious is more theoretical than

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anything else

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again we don't know what we don't know

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they might know more about this about us

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than we do ourselves perhaps by a long

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shot

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and from their point of view it may be

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that this is the most effective way to

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in our society we've long considered the

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notion of subliminal advertising

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subliminal messaging

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the advertising industry would love to

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get its minds wrapped around this fully

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the idea is that a subject is changed

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in ways that they don't understand

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they're not even perceiving that the

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changes happened or how it occurred

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you can imagine this might explain the

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stealthiness of the phenomenon

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and yet it may be a more effective way

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to bring about change

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now that's one interesting hypothesis

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anyway one that's

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worth considering and pursuing now

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speaking of states of consciousness

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we should also talk about our human

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tendency to

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judge certain states of consciousness as

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being superior to others

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my suspicion is that we are still very

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limited and i suspect

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misdirected by our focus on only certain

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forms of consciousness

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did it quote unquote really happen or

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was it quote just

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a dream while these are interesting

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distinctions to draw

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it should not be a major issue in terms

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of judging the veracity of these

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incidents

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and these accounts on behalf of

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experiencers

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as we learned last week from the free

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experiences study

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the majority of people who have had

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experiences with non-human intelligence

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encountered it through an inner

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let's also bring the issue of the

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hypnagogic state to the conversation

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this is often described as the trippy

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state between waking and sleeping

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now it occurs to me that this state may

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only appear trippy

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quote unquote compared to waking states

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because in this state our usual filters

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are partially

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offline but what would that mean

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that would mean that we're capable of

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perceiving not less but

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more of the quote unquote real world

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and when it comes to dreams and what

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happens in them and some people just

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consider them throwaways

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consider the work done by dean raiden in

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his book the conscious universe he

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discusses

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laboratory experiments were done where

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human beings were able to send messages

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to other human beings while they were

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in an rem dream state and that human

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being could consciously recall

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and pick out a picture pertaining to

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that message the next morning

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this is fascinating and this tells us

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that this dream state

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is much more important than we sometimes

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we would be remiss to have this

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conversation without

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also discussing the altered state

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brought about

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by substances such as dmt now for those

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of you not familiar dmt is a natural

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compound in the world it's actually in

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our brain as well produced by our brain

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dmt is the active ingredient in

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ayahuasca

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which is what is used in shamanic

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journeys and has been for generations

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and whether it's shamans from

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generations past or people

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using dmt or ayahuasca today

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what's interesting is people often

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account or recount

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situations where they encounter other

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entities

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other seeming beings sometimes human

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beings sometimes

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aliens sometimes animal creatures again

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some of the

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strangeness that we discussed last week

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in the free study

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what this suggests might be happening is

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again is about our filters

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that our filters that our conscious

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brain has evolved over time

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are temporarily offline or are reduced

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in these

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states these hallucinogenic journeys or

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these shamanic journeys

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and in that state we are actually

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exposed to not less

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not alter but more of reality

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this means this could be the real world

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the greater reality all around us

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of course what this brings up is the

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question of

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ontology what is ontology it is a

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philosophical study of the nature of

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being becoming

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existence or reality ontology comes from

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two greek words

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on which means being and logia which

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means study

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so ontology is the study of being alive

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and existing

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and pertaining to the phenomenon the

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question at hand is

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what is the ontological nature of these

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now what's interesting about these cases

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where people interact with these

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entities

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it seems to be the case that people will

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have persistent ongoing sometimes

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lifelong experiences with the same

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entities sherry wilde who we discussed

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earlier for instance

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has come to realize over time that she's

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had an ongoing relationship with some of

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these beings these others

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for most of her life and whether it's

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people who have encountered aliens or

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beings they

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perceive as aliens or whether it's

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someone having a shamanic journey or

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some other kind of hallucinogenic

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journey

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people seem to be able to meet the same

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beings through different dreams or

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different

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uh trips and it seems to be the case

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even that different people will meet the

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same creatures

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the machine elves is an example of

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beings who different people who have

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been

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using ayahuasca or dmt by itself have

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encountered

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so what does this suggest about the

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ontological nature of these entities

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it suggests that they have a primary

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existence

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that they are not dependent on us they

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are not merely projections of our

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subconscious

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and if this is the case this suggests

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that

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our current paradigm of reality is

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sorely lacking

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now for those of you not quite ready yet

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to consider how dmt and ayahuasca factor

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into this conversation

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let me bring to the equation meditation

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which is becoming more and more

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commonplace in our society

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the idea is that some forms of

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meditation can open us up to these kinds

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of experiences these greater experiences

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of a greater reality

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the idea is that as we drop our body

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mind we drop out of our usual

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waking conscious awareness we become

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aware of a greater reality

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a stream of consciousness a flow where

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we

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experience and sometimes interact with

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other forms of intelligence

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now again what this points us to is

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this factor of the filters that we

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usually have in our waking days

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in our in our daily experience the way

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we walk through the world

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and we should remember these filters

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have a very important

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in fact essential evolutionary history

585
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for our ancestors walking through the

586
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jungles they needed to have strong

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filters that

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filtered out a lot of information a lot

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of stimuli

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so that they could focus on finding food

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and not being eaten by predators

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that's how we've evolved to block out

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vast

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aspects of reality of the greater

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reality

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what all of these experiences are are

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suggesting whether it's

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experiences with entities connected to

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the phenomenon

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or shamanic journeys or through

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meditation

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is that there is a much larger reality

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at play

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one that we can have access to

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let's bring this back home at the outset

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of this podcast

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i asked how can we make headway when

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studying non-human intelligences

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apparently able to manipulate perception

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consciousness and even the supposed

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conscience of the natural world

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well first of all i would point us to

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experiencers

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let's listen to them let's pay attention

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to them let's look for commonality

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amongst them

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and whether the changes that occur in

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them happen

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through subconscious means or more

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conscious messaging

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we will still see a difference and we

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can make note of it and when we pay

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attention to the changes that happen

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persistently and over time amongst

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different people

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it gives us some sense of what the

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now at the beginning of this podcast i

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also said we would discuss

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both some of the stubborn challenges as

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well as some of the unique opportunities

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that exist when studying an enigmatic

632
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topic such as ufos and the phenomenon

633
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in some ways this goes hand in hand and

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why

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because if we are hoping to understand

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this through our current model of

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reality through the current

638
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mainstream paradigm then we are going to

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fail

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and we will suffer endless frustration

641
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but i look at it differently i see it as

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an invitation to a larger reality

643
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that our questions in some ways are

644
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superseded by the invitation to this

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greater experience

646
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of a much larger more profound much more

647
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populous reality where we can have

648
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interactions with

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other beings other entities some that

650
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are equals

651
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some perhaps that are far above us that

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is an invitation that i think is worth

653
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accepting

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so that brings us to a close of this

655
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edition of the podcast

656
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just a few notes about how you can reach

657
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out to me i'm on twitter at

658
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:29,520
exo academia also on facebook recently

659
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newly joined exo academian you can email

660
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me at

661
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xoacademian gmail.com and i'd also

662
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invite you to visit the website

663
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dedicated to this podcast

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and the subject it studies which is

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point of convergence dot

666
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net all one word point of convergence

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let me just add that i've really

668
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appreciated the comments the

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interaction the dialogue with people

670
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who've

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checked out these initial podcasts of

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point of convergence

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i hope that continues and even increases

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please invite your friends and anyone

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you think would be interested in this

676
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topic and as always i hope you will tune

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in again next week

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as we continue this conversation and

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speaking of next week

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we're going to be discussing ce5 that is

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contact with non-human intelligence

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that's initiated by

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human beings and to further that

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conversation

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we're going to be joined by an authority

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in ce5 that's going to be very

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interesting i'm very much looking

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forward to it

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i hope you'll join us until then from

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deep in the blue ridge mountains of